Dr. Victor Manzo - Decoding the Matrix

Jay:

Gary, Gary, are you, are you in the matrix? We can't hear you. You're glitching.

Victor:

I love it. This is hilarious.

Jay:

He's, he's gonna punch me. He's gonna be an e slap and he can hear us, which is making this even better cuz I can see him. Do you see your screen flickering like that, Gary?

Victor:

He's proud of it too, look at him.

Jay:

I need it to go green. Just some more spectacular. This is the outtake of the, considering what we're to <laugh>. Did you take the red pill? Holy shit. Oh my God. This is amazing. Well, your volume's way down, Gary there. That just went up. Gary, say something. Nope. <laugh>.

Victor:

This is hilarious.

Jay:

Holy shit. I'm glad you got a good sense of humor.

Victor:

See, this is all the beauty of technology, man. It's the beauty of technology.

Jay:

I've done so many remote interviews now that I don't give two shits about what's not working.

Gary:

I don't know what's going on. I apologize. Everything.

Jay:

Did you hear us by the way?

Gary:

Oh yeah.

Jay:

That's hilarious. Just to add pressure in the situation.

Gary:

Yeah. The mixer just like stopped working? So I changed that out and then the camera went nuts.

Jay:

I can only pray that that was all recorded as well as the screen. Cause we're gonna go in just fucking hot on this one. Welcome to the academy. A show created a bridge, societal divides in a judgment free zone using candor and humor. My name is Jay and Gary has just joined us back from the Matrix. And we are here today with Dr. Vic Manzo, business mindset coach, certified pediatric chiropractor, three times author, podcaster, and speaker with over 400 episodes. My God. And your most recent book, decoding the matrix. Decoding the matrix. See, I'm having a glitch too. Came may thousand doing Vic?

Victor:

I'm doing amazing.

Jay:

I'm wiping my eyes. That <laugh> coming in. The fact that we're gonna discuss decoding the, the matrix and Gary's call in. Looked like it came from the Matrix. Gary, how was it in there?

Gary:

[Inaudible] and decode my whole system, please? I will pay.

Jay:

Shit happens. But it was just hysterical that happened going into this. Yeah. How's everything going, Gary? Other than that, you good?

Gary:

Hey, if you get, if you could hear me and you could see me, it's going well. So we'll go

Jay:

With that. That's all that matters. Well, Dr. Vic, I genuinely appreciate you coming on with us. Why don't you tell, tell us a little bit about yourself how you came to become a speaker and an author. Yeah.

Victor:

So my journey started out as a chiropractor and I I never had any intentions on being a chiropractor. It was just one of those things, like in the chiropractic world, we always say, most of the time, chiropractic finds you in some way, shape or form. And that kind of happened to me in 19 years old with a health issue. I like, it wasn't like something major, but it was like throughout a whole year, it was just something every, every month was just getting like new symptom, a new thing. And it was getting a little concerning after a year. And then I, you know, I decided to become a chiropractor after that because I was so blown away how just in a couple months all my symptoms were gone. And then two months later I got in the best shape of my life physically, which I was already playing rugby fair. I was on a state for the club team. I worked out consecutively four or five days a week.

Jay:

That's like legit. Rugby is no joke.

Victor:

No, not at all. And that was only, I never, and all people don't listen. That was the only time I ever played rugby in my life. But it was so amazing of a sport. Loved the sport. It's, it's, it's not as bad as people make it seem being as like dangerous, actually way safer than football. American football, that is just in case we have anyone overseas. But long story short, it was one of those things where I was like, come on. How, how am I not in, you know, shredded from all this condition? I remember I never ran, I was running five minute miles and plus I don't like to run just for all the listeners. But yeah, all of a sudden four months after chiropractic, I was down the 10% body fat. And I'm just sitting there going, how the heck is this possible? I haven't done nothing different. Diet hasn't changed, workouts haven't changed. And that's where I was just like, I need to learn more about this thing called chiropractic. It's way more than what I thought it was. And then I started my journey. I went back to, I moved from Arizona back to Chicago and then I I finished school there and then I went to Dallas for school. In the journey of going to school, it was one of the things where, you know, unfortunately the school systems in chiropractic teach you how to pass an exam. They don't teach you really about chiropractic per se. And so when I got there, the first year, year and a half of school is really like going to medical school. There's no difference. We learned the same stuff. We go through the same processes in the first year, year and a half. And so that really like discouraged me cause I wanted to learn all this healing. I wanted to learn the philosophy of chiropractor. I wanted to learn all that stuff. That was really interesting to me. That's what pulled me to become a chiropractor. And that's what the chiropractor was teaching me when I was going through the process. And so wasn't getting in school. I decided to learn energy medicine, energy healing, became a reiki master and trainer. I studied about 10, 12 different modalities. I thought that was gonna teach me the deepest level of healing. And that didn't just teach me that, it taught me also quantum physics, consciousness, how we play role, spirituality, all these other things. The mysterious spookiness of which you like, what the quantum physicists like to call life and in the universe. And I was like, this is, this took my curiosity to a whole nother level about life. But came outta school five years in the business following with all the business advice says with all the self-help, personal development, grinding, hustling, all those fancy terms, and burned out every four to six months, exhausted, fatigued and unsatisfied when I hit my financial peak. And then I decided to at that point say, you know what? I'm not gonna follow this stuff anymore. I'm gonna do what I know. You know, what's universal laws? We talk about law of attraction, law of vibration, you know, quantum physics, you know, deserve effect. How I see things and how I see the world is what it's gonna be and all these other things. And I said, I'm gonna apply that. Plus I'm gonna also, I'm gonna, I'm gonna apply the law, these stuff for which states what's the least amount of work to get the greatest game possible. And trust me, I'm not a lazy, I'm not someone who doesn't like the work. That's my natural mode. I, I come from physical labor. I grew up with it with my dad. So it's one of those things where like working long days is not a problem for me. But it was like, how can I be smarter about it? And a year, a little over a year, year and a half, I was working 50% less. And I was hitting, I was at my financial peak again. Cause I took a hit purposely cause I changed the way my business was run. And at that moment, that's what motivated me to wanna teach entrepreneurs and business owners how to do these things. How to not get caught in the doing trap. And then the mindset perspective came in because I've always been intrigued by the mind ever since I was a young kid. And it was one of those things where being a chiropractor we're brain doctors. So we really, we, we studied the brain intensively like crazy how to help with the brain functioning communication. Oh, how it adapts. My certification in pediatric taught me was really deep into neural development from, from when we're in the womb of our moms to the growing development stages and what does that do? And then I studied behavioral neurology to be like, I wanna learn more about this stuff. To understand mindset in every facet. Like why do, why are we the way we are when we're adults? Why do we have, you know, xyz, may it be why do we struggle? Some do, some don't. Why do we have this, this and that? What, what is all the conditioning? And that's what intrigued me. And when I started to understand limiting beliefs, subconsciousness, how it's programmed, how do we condition it the power of reframing, taking all that, that's where I was like, I need to start teaching. I business coaches how to do this or business owners how to do this. And so about three, four years ago I got into coaching. It was like a, you know, side hustle. Just something to, you know, entertain. Like I wanna perfect my method methodology, see what works, what doesn't, whilst I'm still a chiropractor. And it wasn't until this year I went full-time into coaching. My, my family, my wife and I moved from Chicago to Knoxville. That's why I was very happy with you know, having your nice Chicago hat there.

Jay:

I lived on state and ninth for two years.

Victor:

Get out my my, my mom's one of her best friends lived there.

Jay:

We had a [inaudible] in the bottom of my building, which is not good for the abs

Gary:

That's so funny. Sounds great. That is [inaudible]

Jay:

[Inaudible] bring up delivery. I was so lazy, I wouldn't even go downstairs.

Gary:

Yeah, that's a little rough rough.

Victor:

Small world. But yeah, so that's kinda how I got into the business world, business coaching and so forth and doing it full time and whatnot.

Jay:

So I have a a question. Cause you said something in particular that stuck out to me that was a human doing versus a human being. I read your book, I think it's amazing. I love the way that you break things down and explain things. Utilizing the foundation of asked authors and minds who have placed their life into their authentic pursuit of knowledge. And then you portray it that way, you know, along with your own spin on it. And I really love that. And one of the things that stuck out to me was a human being versus a human doing. Can you explain to me what that is?

Victor:

Yeah, I mean, you look at life today, and this is not just in the business world, but this is, this is humans in general, especially western civilization. Doing is we always are constantly doing, it's like, what can I do to do this? How can I do, what do I need to do to make more money? What do I need to do to be, have a better relationship? What do I need to do to you know, be in better shape? Right? And what we don't realize is that, and this is coming from quantum physics, is that, you know, quantum physics shows everything's energy. And it, and for some who are like, okay, we're getting in a weird conversation, or some people, this is a little out there Woohoo stuff. I'm like, well, they call it Qantas. So that's the term they use.

Jay:

[Inaudible] Australian airline, I learned that in Rainman. Or is that, [inaudible]

Gary:

[Inaudible] That's yeah, that's like what he's talking about. What, like more than one.

Jay:

Sorry, I had to, I had to just throw in the only thing I knew that was quantifiable.

Gary:

Wow. It's due, it's due. Look at the time. Look at the <laugh>. <Laugh>. Oh, it's six o'clock. I gotta get to Bob Evans.

Jay:

Bob Evans, I love it. Looks like you're gonna hold the door for everybody. [inaudible]

Victor:

I love it. Quantas. You taught me a new term.

Jay:

Please. Go on.

Victor:

No, so it's, we're always looking at like doing it in business. It's the same thing. Like, you hear the, what's the business advice, you know, you just keep going and going and going and going until eventually it sticks. Eventually you'll figure it out. Eventually you will, you know, you'll strike that goal. You'll just keep going, keep digging, keep going, keep grinding. Right? And I'm not saying that doesn't work. I mean there's, I mean, I remember hearing Grant Cardone on a TikTok video one time and he was talking about how you can't just think your way to success. It was just showing the think and grow rich book. And then he is like, you have, it takes action. It's, it's, that's what he, he show an example and I'm like, I'm not arguing with the guy. He's worth 2.6 billion. I'm not. So he's, he's doing something. But what I have figured out though is, is that when we look at this whole doing this, you understand from, from, from the, from universal laws or quantum physics realm, it's the being this is first, it sets the vibration, the consciousness level, the, the, the frequency, whatever, whatever term works for you. And it, what matters is where you're coming from, from that level. So what we can explain is like, kinda like this, if we focus on being this, then that's our vibration. That's our consciousness is where we're coming from. That's like the foundation to, to a house. The, the more that foundation is when you do, then whatever you're gonna do is gonna be successful. It's gonna be perfect. It's gonna be, or it's gonna be aligned to what you're gonna do. If you don't have the being this correct, then whatever you're going to do is not going stick. It won't be successful. There's gonna be errors in it or you, it's not gonna level where you wanna, so when a storm comes or when, you know, whatever may be, I can go down a rabbit hole with that. But the point is, is that it's all about where we're coming from first. So if we have, like, here's an example. If you're coming from scarcity, viewpoints, mindset, those kinda things, I don't care how much you do, you're never gonna be successful. You can make more money. The bank count's not gonna grow. And it's not my opinion. This is law. This is how the university, you know, laws work. And this is how this whole process works. If you have an abundance mindset and you're really in that abundance consciousness level, I don't care what you do, you're gonna be successful. You're gonna be a, you're gonna see abundance all around. It's gonna happen because, and it doesn't matter what you do, it won't matter because you're in that vibration state. You're in that frequency. You're coming from that level. And so that's the essence of it. And when we tie in, you know, universal laws like the law of vibration in the law vibration states, and this, this is related with quantum physics, is that you, you can't experience anything in life except whatever you're vibrating at. You can't experience something above or below whoever you are vibrating at. And so, wherever that signature, that, that signal, whatever that electromagnetic field that you're just some more scientific terms here to your, you're sending out to this field.

Jay:

FM radio with humanity and, and your surroundings whatever spot you're dialed in on. If you're on 87.9, you're only gonna get country. If you're on 95.5, then you're gonna be, you know, listening to pop, whatever it is. That's the same way that we connect with the people around us. It's just a huge great, and it all operates at a different spectrum. And when, that's why you see people that go through growth journeys will shed people that are at various stations. If you're looking at an old school radio dial, they're on 85.5. Now that I've done some work on myself and I see that authenticity gets me a higher vibration and a happier life, I'm going to leave the people that are not operating in that mindset. And I'm going to start attracting things that are commiserate to that level. They're going to come to me because I believe I deserve them, because I've done the back work to realize that everything that I'm manifesting in life is what comes from my thoughts within nothing more, nothing less.

Victor:

No, you're dead on. I mean, that's exactly it. And I love the two, the the FM radio frequency because that's, I use that in my first book. I think I talked about it in my third book too. It's one of those things that, and that's the only, that's, that's the only thing you can tune into. That's the only thing. And then I love the whole, the shedding effect. It happens so much. Cause I work with clients on this and then when they go through a huge shift, then they're like, yeah, but this relationship, I have friends I have for 20 years. It's like, I feel like we're falling out. And I'm like, no, it's, that's, that's a good thing. Why? Well, law association can play a role and you're raising your vibe and, and they're conscious level. And if they're not, if they're staying where they are and they're not elevating themselves up, also, there's gonna be a distance. And it's funny, it comes up in the most unique ways. Even if you fight it, there'll be a big fight of an explosion because it's two polarities and, and it's gonna clash. So it's very, and I've gone through this gazillion times in my life. So, and many others have too. But it's one of those things where it is. And then when you're tuning into that frequency, it's the same thing and it's whatever that is, that's what it's gonna be.

Jay:

It's what you draw into your reality. Gary drew a picture for me the other day, which I think is amazing that he said he's gonna elaborate some more on, because I use an analogy about a snow sitting inside of it, inside of a tornado. And that your reality is within that snow globe and everything that's within that cyclone, anything that you grab or reach out, not only it's gonna snatch your arm outta socket, but you’re also going to make that your reality as soon as you pull it into the globe, you had no need to pull it in at any point in time. If it's something pink, you bring it inside that globe, your is pink. If it's purple, it's purple. And as soon as you let it go, it'll actually snatch itself right back out to the cyclone. That's the real funny part of it. It's like, it's on one of those strings in the back of a chatty Cathy doll or some shit.

Gary:

I had you until the [inaudible] [inaudible] The pictures getting larger, you know.

Jay:

[Inaudible] The picture now. It's kinda fun.

Gary:

It's in my brain. Like, I'm like, okay, now we got a doll with a string.

Jay:

The picture's amazing. He drew this picture where I'm sitting inside of the snow globe meditating with my hat on backwards, right? And my logo on the shirt. Then inside the cyclone he had like a cow you know, a stop sign. All the things that you see in there, but how it, you know, conceptualized what it is that I was discussing, he was able to put that in front of you. Just scribble it out. I never give you enough credit for, for your creativity, Gary. You're super, super creative.

Gary:

Try to you know, that's what I do for a living is the visual. So, you know, I try to explain things as simply as I can visually to people, you know, quite often. So seeing it even like helps me understand what you're talking about all the time. You know, you guys, you know, you two both speak a very similar language, it's something that I'm picking up on more and more with, you know, all of the meditation and consciousness and all these different things. It's not stuff that was like really in my wheelhouse before. So I'm trying to add each time and, you know, pick up little things and sometimes I gotta write it out or draw it or explain it to somebody else to then understand it myself. So it's kind of like teaching boxing and stuff like that. And I couldn't get a combo down until I taught somebody else and then, you know, it sticks more. So, you know, that's my, I guess as I draw right, I have to like, you know, kind of learn in a different way. And in school we never learned that. It was like, memorize, regurgitate, move to the next thing. You know. I always struggled with actually keeping these things because it was like, teach for the test, learn for the test test's over now the next thing. It was just, you know, similar to what you're, you know, talking about in chiropractic school, the things you really wanted to learn were the important things. It's kind of probably hard for them to test that. So rather just, you know, facts, statistics, boom. You know, get you out of there. So that's my whole deal with learning is visual. Sometimes I'll even like write it out, speak it to myself, write it down, and then I'll have it coming, you know, a lot, a different way. So, long story short, thanks for complimenting me at my drawing.

Jay:

No, I love the way that you discussed that because a lot of people would never do that process to understand anything. The majority of people would stop at the moment that they didn't understand it. And not because they don't understand it. Because they know, they understand it. And if once they admit it, then they have to put it into action. Otherwise they have to live shame and guilt for not taking those steps. It's a real stupid cycle we sit in. It's kinda funny, you know, it's that whole crappy diaper thing. It's a choice to sit in or change it or not wear one at all.

Gary:

Yeah. That's weird. Sometimes we we get off

Jay:

My analogies are all over the place, man.

Victor:

No, I think it all links. I think it works. And, and Gary, I love the, the process cuz you're, you're doing what I tell a lot of people. Do. You have to figure out what works for you and how, what, you know, how do you, how does your brain process, how do you learn? Like when I, even with like, when I had chiropractic students starting to, you know, check out my office and I would do like a philosophy night where they come and, and I'll tell 'em like, you're gonna get hit with so many tests. I mean, I remember one month I had 20 tests, 28 tests in one month. I mean, chiropractic school is no joke, but it's one of those things where I'm like, you have to, I go, if you wanna, you know, figure these things out. Don't listen to what anyone tells you to do unless it helps you find your own craft. But do what how? Learn how you need to learn. However you do. I mean, I, I had people look at me when I was, I used to be when I was in class. I mean, we had laptops. We can type everything out. They gave us all the notes already. And they're like, why aren't you writing the notes out in the notebook? I don't wanna do that. I'm writing, I'm free handing this thing. And they're like, man, use, why do you use green highlighters? I go, green is a neon green picks up on my eye the easiest. So neon green is very for your eye to pick up. So I'm like, I see the green, my, my brain's already, even if I don't think it's already paying attention, that neon green. So then whatever that word is now I'm gonna memorize it. And so when it came to studying, you know, at first I tried studying like everyone else did, 4, 5, 6 hours a night. And I was like, this is not for me. I don't, I I can't, I was done. And then I'm like, you know what? I'm just gonna do what I did. I'm gonna highlight what whatever I feel is important that the teacher thinks. Cause you're, remember, you're always learning. I, I was a professor for a little bit and I always tell students, I'm like, you're, I'm, you're gonna, what matters most unfortunately is what I think is important. Not what you think is important. Because when I test you, you're gonna have to think what I think is important. I want you to know. I go, it's a sad truth in reality of school, but it's just how it's, but long story short, I started to do that process and all of a sudden I'm like, I study an hour, hour and a half and I was able to get, I would retain the information and then also I was able to at least get a b I was happy with a b I take a c plus. But I was like, I'll go for a b I wasn't that kid who cared about the grades too much. So, but it's again, coming back to your point is like, what works for you? That's all that matters at the end of the day.

Jay:

I think it's an example of how beautiful the mind actually is and how it explains that if you are truly interested in what it is that you're doing and it's something that's on your path, you'll probe all the different ways to examine it without even realizing that it's effort. It's not effort because you love doing it because the conceptualization is giving you a better look into your own reality.

Victor:

No, dead on, I mean, and this is what I teach. I used to tell moms a lot being a, you know, pediatric chiro. I worked with a lot of moms. There were a few dads, maybe two or three at the most of them were moms.

Jay:

I go to that old school, Tom Green spinning the baby thing back in the nineties, <laugh>, it immediately popped into my head the first time they said pediatric chiropractor. And I dunno why. It's like.

Victor:

I promise if you saw me doing an adjustment at an infant and you'd be like, what did you do <laugh>? Like, what, what was that like? You were just touching, you didn't even do anything. Like what is that adjustment?

Jay:

God, I hope so. It's not like those terrorizing those terrifying videos on TikTok where they've got like a sledge hammer or like a ball peen hammer and a big stake into the base of the neck and hitting it. Like they're trying to, you know, build a railroad.

Victor:

That's a very old school technique. I think it's.

Jay:

That's terrifying.

Victor:

It's not, I don't think, I don't think it's chiropractic, but it's my, my, I'm a best friend's Chinese and he's friends. His whole family's from there and he was telling me it's too ni or something like that or something too ni. Something else. But something along those lines. And it's like, it's an old technique. And he goes, if you get somebody who really knows what they're doing,

Jay:

I'm sure it's amazing.

Victor:

He had it done and he was like, it was one of the, he goes, I got adjusted. He's like, you, he was my partner in adjusting. And he's like, you're a phenomenal adjuster. He goes, man, but that technique, holy cow. He goes out sore for like four days. But wow. What relief I felt.

Jay:

I feel like chiropractic, chiropractic work is almost like the Lincoln logs of this spiritual process. You need like that structure in order to build on top of it.

Victor:

Yeah, I can go down a whole rabbit hole with you on that one, but <laugh> cause it's, cause the way I teach chiropractic is different. But the point where I was going with is when we're talking about interest is with kids, is, I always tell, I tell parents all the time, like, just feed into your kids' interests. They're gonna be, you're gonna see that you're gonna allow the prodigy to come out them because though it, cause of what the school systems do is they, and nothing, I'm not bashing it, but it's just, it's a 1930 outdated model.

Jay:

A manufacturing system.

Victor:

Exactly. And it's also an authority system, right? So why do we have self worth issue or self-esteem issue? You know, because you're only good if you get an and the test approved by this teacher, right? You're only good if you do this. And so what do we do is I train our mind. It makes us look outside ourselves to get approval instead of looking within. That's why we care so much about what other people think. Yes. Humans are collective consciousness. Our collective in our way to where we we're, we're we, we, we, we evolve and we work better when we're gathering with others and we wanna fit in. But at the same token, we lose out the individually aspect of it when we do that. But feeding into interest is one of the things that I always tell. Like, because when you feed into your interest and you guys know this, you've had this in your own experiences. When you are interested in something, it's not, it's actually kind hard not to learn.

Jay:

It's hard to stop.

Victor:

Yeah. You just wanna keep learning. You're just honestly like, man, I wanna learn more. Let me get this on. And you're just downloading, downloading, downloading information, you know, however you're taking it in and it's just like never end. And I know there's topics like that, like I can, if it's science related, conscious related, healing related, mindset related, like that, all that stuff, man, you can't get me to stop learning that stuff. I love it. But you wanna talk about pop culture or this or this other stuff. Like my wife she'll, we're we're polar opposites and and that's why we work so well.

Jay:

My house is just like that.

Victor:

Yeah. And she'll talk about this and I'll be like, who's that again? Who's that person? She's like, you have such a great memory. How do you not memorize this? I'm like, honey, I can give two. Like that has, I go, you start telling me about who's who and who's married to what. I'm like, forget it, that's too much for me already.

Jay:

I'm with you a hundred percent on that. Gary lives in the pop culture world with what everything that he works on. So he'll spit out names all the time and I'm just looking at him just like he does during my descriptions.

Gary:

Yeah. It's like most of that's necessity. You know, a lot of the, it's sports and stuff like that. I do care. But the regular TMZ, I just have to know a little bit. But that's why we have PAs and interns and that are 20, 25 text away. You know, they'll nail it for me. I'll move on. You know. But learning's almost like, it's like broccoli as a kid. Like we don't want that. Like you're, it's presented bad, so you're like gross. Right. You know, maybe we have to pour some Velveeta over it to make it like, you know, so you can tolerate it. And then older you're like, oh, some balsamic vinegar, you know, little saute. Like it's healthy and, and it tastes good. You know, it's like you, I don't know, it's all a presentation thing. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>, eat your vegetables, sit there, shut up, look forward. You know, like remember like it's, it's just all bad. Like from six years old you're like, fuck all this. I can't wait to be done with it. Talk or look to the left or right. You're getting screamed at. It's like, it's ridiculous. I don't know where you guys went to school, but I went to Catholic school when I was younger in the Midwest. You know, I got lucky I got to go there cuz my mom worked there and you know, I didn't make it all the way through. Let's just say that. But it was just even more strict than public schools. Just no learning anything outside the book. No. Having an opinion, no having a style. I mean uniform had to be perfect every day and haircut perfect. It's just, you know, there was, you know, I had three lines shaved inside of my head. In third grade [inaudible] Three little lines shaved in my head. They lost their fucking minds.

Jay:

They busted you for the ladder? That's not cool. I had those.

Gary:

Yeah. You know, it's like 1989 probably 87, whatever. You know, I was a little different than everybody else. They're like, no, you go in and super cuts. Pick the number four off the wall like every other kid. Like, you know,.

Jay:

Zero individuality. It's funny how the brain works. All of those things that you were describing were fear installations at an earlier age to make you live life in the social conditioning that it is. There's a book called The Denial of Death by Ernest Becker. I bring it up a lot. And there was an analogy in there where he described if I put a plank of wood on the ground between you and I say it's like 25 feet long, like, you know, walk the plank kinda thing. And I said, walk across it to me. You would've zero issues. You would practically moon walk down it. You might even do a cart. It's a big old plank of wood, 25 feet long. But if I take that same plank of wood and I move it 25 feet up in the air change, no stability part of it, put it between two pieces of whatever, but it is completely solid. Hell, it could be a concrete structure at the same width, you know, and depth whatever. When you start to walk across that at the height for some reason your arms go out at your sides. You start to wobble, you start to do all of these bizarre things. Some people just flip upside down like, like a koala and can't do. It's amazing how the mind breaks down. But in reality nothing changed. You could just, you could still do the same cartwheel down that thing just like you could when it was on the ground. The brain creates the majority of its problems.

Gary:

Let's see that cartwheel real quick.

Jay:

Could you imagine? I'd go viral just because it would be so ridiculous. I'd love to see the cartwheel too. Just a second that.

Gary:

Group consensus, if you're gonna me all matrix that at the beginning and midway through you gotta do a wheel. I think that's fair.

Jay:

No 46 year old man needs to be doing a cartwheel.

Gary:

I dunno, maybe you should be.

Jay:

I need to do that to get over my shame, fear responses.

Gary:

You could start a movement before you know it. Everyone's just doing cartwheels again.

Victor:

That's how it all starts, right?

Gary:

I do have a question. You know, a lot of people, when they're successful, that's when they don't look for change at all. You know, it's like has to be up for people to normally change or to see something else. What was it about you that started having the success or something you worked so hard for and you still wanted to like, make a left turn and you know, add on things and now it's, you know, coaching's your main deal and giving, you know, the chiropractic business altogether. Like how did you decide, this is working, this is great. I I got money and everything's good and still wanna change. Most people have those golden handcuffs forever.

Victor:

Comfort is the killer of all dreams. And once we stop having a dream or having a vision or holding to our vision, a lot of people don't have visions in their life. I'm assuming you do Gary, you're visionary. You're all about vision, right? [inaudible] Yeah. It was one of those things where, like I said, when I hit that financial peak, it was that unfulfill being unfulfilled. Like it was great. I mean I was making great money, but the practice wasn't what I really wanted to have. I had a coach who kind of told me like, Hey, just help people meet them where they are with their health. Don't worry about nobody's gonna wanna be like you when it comes to health. And I said, well that's, I'm not trying to make prototypes of me, I'm just trying to help elevate people to the highest level I possibly can. Cause I looked at everything from a holistic standpoint, chiropractic, nutrition, emotional healing, all these kinda things. And, but it wasn't like that. So I said, you know what? We made a shift, took a 40% hit on purpose, six months took us to take that 40% hit total. And then we redirected where we went. And I say weeks my wife ran the office and then all of a sudden we redirected and I said, I wanna go into pediatrics. I go, I wanna make a change in the world where I'm changing, breaking down. Cause there was a teacher, my one said, the issues we have with our, with, with adults and our society today is how we birth our children. And for some people that may seem how, what does that mean? But when, you know what I, what I what I knew a little bit of this already, but when you know it, like going into like we know now scientifically that personality comes in the womb. That they're already getting conditioned in the womb, not outside the womb. Things happen inside. Like they've done studies on this in so many different ways. It's the most fascinating, most intriguing stuff. And I was like, I wanna be part of that change. And so we went down that route because for me, the biggest and most, and I guess, you know, one of the, cuz I got to the money side and I said, okay man, I guess it is true once you have it, it's not really if that was, and it wasn't that I was striving for money. My, the money came because of my, my vision of having an impact in my community. I was the leader in my, my community. 20 chiropractors. I start my business, 20 chiropractors in a small town. And I had even had the business community telling me, why did you choose here? There's so many of them already. I said, don't judge. I go, you don't even know who I am yet. Just wait. And then a year later I'm the wellness guy. And so I, I got that position and again, I created my, my impact and the money followed. But it, it wasn't like I I, for me it has to be fulfilling in some way. So we made the changes very fulfilled. I mean, the best thing I ever did in my practice was change the work with kids. I could be, I love being a kid. I love to have fun. I like to be imaginative and, and just whatever. And adults don't kind of take it that way. But kids, oh they love it. The more you do it, the better.

Jay:

They're still there. Yeah, they're still there.

Victor:

And I'll tell you man, they're just a, it's just a bundle of joy to work with. And I can't tell you how many times people thought like they go, do you have kids? I'm like, no, I don't have kids. And they're like, I mean, I have one now, but I didn't have one then. And they're like, you just get along with kids. I'm like, I'm a big kid. I just, I'm not gonna show you that cuz you're gonna look at me a little where if I talk to you in a different voice. But then there came a point where, again, coming back to fulfillment, what really matters in life. And for me, after that first five years, I really started to look and I started going, you know what, what really, you know, I looked at my life and my, my business and yeah, things were great when we were talking about closing our office down. Cause we couldn't sell it in Illinois with the climate of covid and everything. It was a choice. Then we had to make, my wife and I had to say, well, we can try to keep it open, manage afar and if something happens and there's a headache, I have to go back to Illinois and do all these other things that, you know, I was like, I dunno if I want that. Like, we made some investments we can hold off. I mean I had some money coming from coaching that it was not, but it wasn't gonna keep our lifestyle. So, but we made a choice. Like, well, we wanna have that fulfillment, that happiness, that joy that matters most to us. And so we, we made that choice. And I think when it comes to in life, you really have to look at what really is making you truly happy. Because a lot of time in this world and you see it so much, especially when covid hit and all these people go after whatever money comes, they don't care. Like, I'll do it. Hey, I love doing this. Yeah. And then when you really talk to them, it's like.

Jay:

It's all replication. You're chasing somebody else's dream, you're just repeating their and it's gonna diminish in value quickly. And you're never going to be fulfilled. Sorry.

Victor:

No, you're, you're, that's one of the reasons why I became a coach. It was because there's so many people being prototypes of other people. That was me. I lived it. I was, I studied the most successful chiropractors. I I had a coach before I came outta, you wanna talk about ambition? I had six months before I got outta graduate, I hired a coach. I studied, I shadowed over 50 chiropractors offices. I mean, they're not known that to do that in the chiropractor as a student people are like, where do you find time? I'm like, I'm gonna make time. I wanna be, I'm ambitious. I wanna learn. And I got, when I got to that level of success, it was awesome financially. But then I was like, but who's me? Like, is this really my, is this really the, the, the stone of how I'm presenting chiropractic? Is this really the legend or the the influence I wanna share with the world? Is this my voice? And it wasn't. And I realized I was conditioned in so many ways and I had to unlearn all that. And it's the same thing where, you know, going into the end of my, my chiropractic career, it was one of the stuff that my wife and I looked at and said, we have such a huge impact in our community. But it was more me saying this, but, but my impact to the world is so small, like minute to nothing. And I said, I I feel like I wanna do bigger things and if I don't take this risk, if I don't take this jump right now, I will regret this for cause I don't wanna live with regrets. That's the, that's another motivating factor in my life. Like, I wanna live, live on e I wanna know that I did everything I could in my life that

Jay:

Say that again please.

Victor:

I wanna live on E.

Jay:

That's cool. I like that.

Victor:

Yeah. I forgot I, and I can't take credit for it. I think it was See I'm not good with names.

Jay:

Like Michael Scott something, something Wayne Gretzky. Yeah.

Victor:

Somebody, he's the yeah. He's a hip hop preacher. Anyhow, I heard him say it one time and I was like, oh, that is genius. But but I do, because I think regret is, and I've heard so many people, I've seen it in my own life with people upbringing. Cause I, you know, I grew up in a Italian, Roman Catholic society community. So, you know, talking about Gary, talking about Catholic school, I was there until high school. I went to an all boys high school that was Catholic. So I, I'm with you, I feel you vibe and all that stuff. But it was one of those things where I lost my train of thought with that. But coming back to living on E but it, it's all hearing regret. Cause I, I'd be around a lot of people that are older than me and I would hear, oh, I wish I did this when I was younger. Man, I wish I did this. I wish I did. I'm just like, I don't wanna have that life. Like, I don't wanna have regret. Yeah. Is there decisions in my past that I could have made better? Yeah, of course. But in the moment I did the best that I could. Like I don't have regret that it, it, you know, how can you go back and judge when you're in this, it's like a basket. Like in sports, you know, you make a choice in the moment that you think is the best at that time. Just where, what the information you have and so forth. When you look back, you're like, ah, should have did it that way. That's okay. You learn when we move on. So I didn't wanna, I don't, I don't wanna have regrets. So that's why we made this jump to do this. I mean, it was an 80% hit financially and from what I was making as a chiropractor with the coaching. And then it just took off the co chiropractic and here comes the coaching. But that's something that in the back of my mind, I'm more motivated and well inspired and driven by fulfillment and whatever is going to fulfill me regardless, because money's always gonna come back around. The one thing I can never get is time. I'll never be able to get back time. And that's why my wife and I made the decision we made to let the office go too. Because we wanted to start a family. I'm 39 years old, she's 35. We had our first daughter, our daughter was born four months ago.

Jay:

Congratulations.

Victor:

No, thank you. And that's a whole nother lovely experience. But it's one of those things where, you know, we, we wanted to have that and, and live that more authentic life that's authentic to us. And, and I think in this world today.

Jay:

It's easy. Sorry. It's easy. Nobody realizes that being authentic is the easiest fucking thing there is to be.

Victor:

The only thing, the only thing it becomes hard is when you try to compare, put yourself in the world with others. Because the way we live in today's world, especially in social media and all that you know, it, we, we, oh, I'm doing this, but no one else does this, man, I don't know, maybe I should fit in here and do this. And it's like, no, be yourself. Have your voice. Do what matters most for you and live your truth. And, and it's, and sometimes it can't. It is, is easy. It's, I would say it's like sometimes it can be simple to do these things, but we also have to take into consideration how much we're a condition, how much is our mind condition, how much our subconscious is conditioned. And that's a whole mental prison in itself where you don't, you don't even know this is happening. And like I said, this happens to me and it still happens to me. So I'm very transparent in what I do and I always tell people, like my parents be like, oh, you, you've mastered all this. I haven't mastered anything.

Jay:

There's nothing to master.

Victor:

No, you're just, if anything you're mastering yourself, if anything, if you wanna put it to something. But I'm like, the only thing for me is like, I'm just, I just know a little bit that makes me dangerous and I can play in the game a little better, right? Because when you look at life as a game, there's rules just like as any sport. And the more the be the better. You know, the rules the better of a player. You're just like in business. Like some people get upset about this, but the better, you know, tax laws, the better a business person you can become. I was told that in business school, I remember they were saying learn taxes, they're like master taxes and you can master your master business better. And I was like, how? I mean, and then they walked us through it and I was like, and this guy was a very well, very good entrepreneur. I was like, why are you teaching? You're, you're, you got three businesses, you're very successful. He was saying like, when, this is the time in 2004, 2005 at uic, university of Illinois, Chicago, he's literally saying, this is when the car companies are like getting killed and crushed and all this other stuff. And he's like, Fords are gonna come out on top. He goes, you'll see it happen. Here's and there's, he goes, we're gonna move to apps and it for TVs. He was like telling us all this stuff. And I sit there now and I'm like, was this guy like in it like just had a crystal ball and he's telling you things cause like Ford did way better than gm. Look at we're doing now with apps and TV and everything's on ip, it ip and so forth. It's just anyway, digress. But he, he would walk us through that and he explained it and I was like, that is genius in so many ways. He already knew we're visionaries. And when we put pen to paper with authenticity, we create so much faster than we ever would when we're trying to build something that is somebody else's vision. It's so easy to draw a picture. It's hard to draw somebody else's. Like I, I always thought that I was not going to be good at anything artistic because I couldn't do art one way. I couldn't take a pencil and put it on paper and draw a picture. For so many different reasons. And that's not the case. That wasn't my art to make my art was music or speaking to people or you know, being a conduit for people like yourself to spread a larger message. That's my law. Everybody has their art. It's just a matter of surrendering to it. It's not a matter of finding it, it's a matter of surrendering to it because it's already there.

Jay:

It's like putting a candle under a glass and having a small amount of air always allowed in, but the glass never needed to be there when you lift the glass, that flame that was there that you could barely see turns into what it's supposed to be. And that's what we are supposed to be. I think you are an example of that. I think that you've done that through stages. I'm sure in retrospect you can look at your life that every one of those junctures, although they seemed like a crossroads for, you know, painful reasons, they were actually a step to a greater Dr. Vick that could give back more based on your foundational knowledge. All of us have these adversities and trials and tribulations because they build upon who we were the day before. I think that we enter the matrix at a certain time in our childhood. And I think that there is a way that you can enter it. I think it is our, or the onus is on us to ensure that the youth of our nation or of humanity has a smooth transition from the reality that we're supposed to have to the societal one. Because I don't think that we realize, cuz you mentioned birth, trauma, womb, you know, development. In your book you actually said something that I loved hearing epigenetics. I couldn't put a word on that. I think that that epigenetics when we intervene in an earlier time, has a better chance for a long term outcome because we're easing them out of the trauma of a creative reality and imaginative reality into the reality that we've decided is going to be ours. I think that's why we see children that can come from any kinda family be defunct so to speak. It's because it's not because of necessarily everything that happened to 'em as a child. I think it's the day they snap reality the day you cross that threshold. And it's how you cross that threshold. I think that you are a great person to point that out. Talking about working with children, talking about how that epigenetic thing starts before that child and giving people that pathway to find their spiritual path is something I'm grateful to have had the opportunity to even sit down with you, you know, whether it's a show or not. And I want you to know that. I appreciate you genuinely. I appreciate you.

Victor:

I appreciate that brother. I really do it and, and I love how you're explaining things and, and how you, you you share it in your way. It's one of those things where, you know, for some of the listeners are listening, you know, we all have that. What come you're talking about like, you know, our art and I love how you shared that cuz it was something for me too. I was not the drawer. I'm not the painter. I just, it's, it's not that I can't be, I wanna really just, just dis the difference between that I can go learn and I know I can be, I'm not gonna beso, but I can learn how if I want. It just doesn't interest me. But if you put me in a kitchen, you want me to cook or maybe even do some baking, which I wasn't in the baking too much, but I'm getting really good with sourdough breads. I'm been playing around with that a little bit more. I love it. I can go into a kitchen and I reason why I saw my mom doing this all my life. I started cooking at six years old with her. And it's just, that's my expression of art. I can just think of things.

Jay:

It's your palette or your etch a sketch is your tongue or your ability to smell things and put together. You know what I mean? People don't realize that. I spoke to someone the other day that said that their, they felt that their mission in life was to help creators bring things to humanity that they're not capable of based on their own fear. And I thought that was a beautiful way to exercise their art. Their art is that they were given that fundamental, you know, base layer of dopamine that creators don't have. Creators gotta jump off of cliffs with, you know, like I said, an natural sketch in their hands and they're gonna hit the ground with Picasso, but they're not gonna hear anybody. They're gonna leave that thing on the ground. Cause they don't want anybody to say they didn't do their Picasso. Right. But if you hand it to somebody else that's artistically organized and Project management forward. I don't even know how to describe it.

Gary:

I can't do the baking.

Victor:

[Inaudible] Gary, I'm sorry.

Gary:

The baking. I can't do, it's too mathematical. I grew up at probably about six, you know, in the kitchen with my Italian mother as well. And to this day, there's not a recipe. Grandma's great-grandmother, but it's just how you do it. But it like baking. It's like every time I've tried to bake, it's been a disaster. But I can make a ton of good things if I don't have to have the rules and I can, I touch and feel and smell soon as it's this and baking soda and that. And you gotta just the right amount or doesn't rise and, eh.

Victor:

I'm with you on the baking. It's the only thing I, when I said baking, it's only breads. Like when I make a bread, I can put it together, I'll feel the dough and I'm like, this feels right. I smell it. I'm like, yeah, we're good. Let that sit for a day. And then the sour doll do its thing and then I'll be ready to, you know, make it whatever I gotta do from there. But baking, baking like cakes and that no way too. It takes the fun out of it for me.

Jay:

I can't be cooking anything that's subject to falling. You know how I would lose my shit if I opened up an oven and watched what I just worked on for like, five hours sitting there like a popped beach ball. I would be punching it. I'd be so angry after all of that. Especially if I was hungry. If I was hungry.

Gary:

[Inaudible] Yeah, I'd order a pizza and be like. And I'll never try it again.

Jay:

My wife would breaking that emergency glass with the cliff bar behind it.

Gary:

It's like grocery shopping when you're hungry. You can't cook when you're hungry either. Just too much, but enough.

Jay:

Gary, do you have anything you want to ask before we wrap up?

Gary:

, I don't even know where to start. Really, I'm gonna, I'm gonna listen to this back and probably have a bunch of questions, but I think it's probably too big of a question to, you know, wrap up with. But with the school system and everything, how do you think we're gonna be able to work within the confines that we have and, and get our kids to graduate and, and get on like they're supposed to, but still the individuals and do the things that, that we've done later in life you know, to find our, our art and our passions and stuff like that, that have kinda been suppressed. Do you think it's ever gonna be able to be, you know, work together within these systems? Or is it always gonna be, have to be kinda two separate things?

Victor:

It's gonna have to be, it's kinda like this. Can you find health in, in the medical system? And the short answer is no, because it's not designed for health, it's designed for sick care. And I'm not bashing it, it's just the system, right? Because if you look at drugs and surgery, that's their two tools. And wherever in the history of any study, of any research shows that you have a condition because of a lack of a medication in your blood or because you have an extra organ that just you don't need. So let's get rid of it like a gallbladder or an appendix. They're designed for sick care, e sick care, and emergency care. The same thing with the school system. The school system. I always said, I, I said this at a young, like I was in high school, I'm like, man, schools destroy creativity. And I didn't know what I was saying, but I just felt that because of my own experiences and that's what it does. So it, it halts us why like, going to college, I could not stand how I had to take all these general fricking ed classes. I was like, I don't care about that stuff. Western

Jay:

Western civilization philosophy.

Victor:

I take a history class, I can't stand history. Leave it where it is. Just let me, I'm interested in history, but it just wasn't the history I had to learn <laugh>. And so I think the system is kind of like the healthcare system. Would it come, you know, the model medical system we have, it, it, that's just what it is. We have to come outside of that. And there are other systems out there like now of course I'm gonna go blank. Shoot, what are we doing with my daughter. Forgot the name. Anyone how.

Jay:

Gotta love the mind.

Victor:

Yeah, yeah. I love it. But one of them is, I, I can't forget the name of it, but it's, it's all about like, you know, letting kids just be go to what they're interested in. And it's more about collective learning where you know, it's not just one group of kids at a certain age. It's multitudes and the older TT younger. And it's kinda like how we evolve as society. It's how it was back in the day and how we take responsibility to help one another. And it's like, and then a and it's not limiting any creativity because they're choosing what they enjoy and they go to, they'll go and express that. And that to me, I think is a, a better way. I mean, let's face it, when's the last time? I mean I took, I took Cal two, I took calc one in high school. We took calc, precal, all that. I can't tell you last time I used calculus, trigonometry, geometry a little bit. Cause I like woodworking. That's another art I like to do. But other than that, I don't know when was the last time I used algebra. And, but I'll tell you, I definitely know I need, I know pluses and mind adding, subtracting, multiplying, dividing, definitely need that in what I do. But other than that, like what, what other things do I, you know, when we look at that, so I think this is where we have to really look at the system and what's really important and really feed more to a custom system that, because let's say a kid wants to be an engineer, you better believe he's gonna need know Cal one and two and all that. You wanna get into computer science, you're gonna need to know how to play with these numbers. But it's one of those things, again, coming back to leading to that, going back to an individual approach instead of trying to stop stand, we do this all across the board at humanity in many different ways. Standardizing everything, which is taking away the human experience when we do that. Yeah, it's great. It's a great business model if you're looking at it from business standpoint. Like, you know, when we standardize a system to make it over and over and over again people do this in coaching with their, you know, I call it cookie cutter system. Yeah, it works. You can grow, you can scale it. Yeah. All the business stuff is great, but when we look back though, we're not allowing to serve a person in an individual perspective. [inaudible].

Jay:

It's just a franchise. You're never gonna own the company. It's not your company.

Victor:

And so coming back to that question, Gary, we have to, it has to be a different system unless the system itself changes itself and changes its direction and its roots and so forth. I can't see that happening, but I'm open. But I'm hopeful that it, maybe it would, but we just have to, it's, I look at it more from a neurological perspective on how the brain works. The brain doesn't just cut something off and go to a new direction. What a brain does is from when you're adapting, creating neuroplasticity, rewiring your brain and so forth, what it does is it minimizes the energy that goes to one or weakens the connection to one. At the same token, it's taking that and connecting it stronger to something else. And I think that's the, the mode that we would, you know, I let nature be my guide and how things should do, how things should go. And it's one of those things that's I think is where we can, if we're gonna really create the Picassos and the Steve Jobs and the, you know, all those individuals to in their own, well, I don't wanna, I don't wanna see any of those Steve Jobs. I, you know, I wanna see somebody who's

Jay:

In their own right. Yeah.

Victor:

In their own right. I was called one time, somebody called me to Tony Robbins of Wellness. I said, please don't say that. And they're like, why? I was like, because I'm not Tony Robbins. I'm Vic Manzo. Let's, let's just, you can call me whatever you want, but just don't tie me to somebody because I don't wanna be that. That's and it's cuz you lose out again. It's, it's losing out on that light of who we are. But that's, that's, I hope that answers the question. I think we just have to create a new system and, and there is, I'm just really bummed. I can't remember the name. This is gonna bother me. I'm gonna walk outta here. My wife's probably could hear me talking and she's gonna go, literally you don't remember that? I'd be like, yeah, that ones my mind. I dunno what it's called now.

Jay:

That's my constant state of being. My wife just looks at me with disappointment. Like, not at me though. At herself. It's like internal disappointment for being, selecting this one.

Gary:

Got it in, right at the bell. You got that one in.

Jay:

I love it. It's amazing. Dr. Vic Is there anything that we didn't go over that you'd like to tell everybody? Or do you wanna let everybody know how they can reach out to you and, and find out, you know, where your books are, where they can find you for coaching? Anything like that?

Victor:

Yeah, I think what we shared, I always say this like we, what comes up is what is needed. It's one of those things. I felt this was a great combo, a lot of humor. Appreciate that. I definitely had some good laughs here. To connect with me, my website's, my hub, empoweryourreality.com. You can find I got a free ebook on the power of visualization and just understand how powerful our mind really is when we use it. And then if coaching, if it resonates, you're looking to really overhaul your mindset, really know how to, you wanna learn how to create effortless success in your life and not just in business and money, but every aspect of your life. I do a free call and the call is just to get to know more about you. Serious inquiries only cuz I really, what I'm doing is I'm qualifying you into one if I can help you. And then two, if you fit my coaching program and be accepted in if you want to follow me on social media, I'm on Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn and Tik Tok. It's on the bottom left of the website. Any questions, reach out. Love hearing from people.

Jay:

Love it. Thanks so much Dr. Vic. I genuinely appreciate you. And thanks again, Gary. Always wanna make sure you know you're appreciated brother. Right. Remember

Victor:

Thanks everyone. I appreciate you guys.

Jay:

Be cool and keep learning.